Starmer says Nick Timothy should be sacked for his attack on Muslims praying in Trafalgar Square
Badenoch says Starmer did not answer the question. Did he pick up the phone to Mandelson.
She says Starmer said Mandelson lied to him. That implied that they spoke.
Starmer again criticises Badenoch. He says she should have sacked Nick Timothy for his attack on Muslims praying in Trafalgar Square. (See 10.28am.)
UPDATE: Starmer said:
double quotation markShe appointed the shadow justice secretary. He said last night that Muslims praying in public, including the mayor of London, practising his faith are not welcome.
He described it as an act of domination. Straight from the Islamist playbook. If he was in my team, he’d be gone. It’s utterly appalling. She should denounce his comments and she should sack him.
Nick Timothy pictured in parliament earlier this year Photograph: House of Commons/PAShare
Updated at 10.02 EDT
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At a post-PMQs briefing, a spokesperson for Kemi Badenoch defended Nick Timothy for his comments criticising Muslims praying in Trafalgar Square. (See 10.28am.) The spokesperson said Timothy’s comments were based on footage showing segregated males praying at the event.
He said:
double quotation markThe Conservative party believes in British values and those British values mean we are an open and open and tolerant society, but with boundaries.
And freedom of religion does not mean the freedom to do anything. It comes with responsibilities.
People are free to practice their faith, but that practice does not require exclusionary use of our shared civic spaces. That is not about worship. It becomes something else which undermines social cohesion. So that is where we draw the line. And that is what Nick Timothy was talking about.
Asked about other pictures showing women at the event, the spokesman said they were “outside the barriers”.
(Timothy’s original tweet criticising the Muslims praying in Trafalgar Square said nothing about the group being segregated by gender. And a follow-up tweet by Timothy this morning defending his original message does not mention gender segregation either.)
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PMQs – snap verdict
It is not unusual for the prime minister and the leader of the oppostion to be speaking at cross-purposes at PMQs but today was an extreme example; if your only exposure to what happened comes via short social media clips, you might assume they were speaking at two separate events.
Kemi Badenoch was determined to attack Keir Starmer again over his appointment of Peter Mandelson as ambassador to the UK, and she started by asking if Starmer had spoken to Mandelson personally about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein before he appointed him. Badenoch knew exactly what the answer was – because it was a lead story in the Times last week. The Times reported:
double quotation markSir Keir Starmer did not speak to Lord Mandelson before appointing him as the ambassador to the US and instead delegated the vetting of his links to the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein to two personal friends of the peer.
Starmer refused to confirm this. But he did not try to deny it either, and it was obvious from the exchanges that the Times story was true. Badenoch was withering, and – on this topic – effective.
Starmer strategy was to turn this instead into a debate about the Tories’ rather confused stance on the Iran war, and Nick Timothy latest anti-Muslim diatribe. (See 10.28am.) In debate, trying to fend off an attack by changing the subject is always a sign of weakness (because it’s an admission that you do not a proper answer to the accusations you are facing) and it is often unsuccessful (because the audience may consider the original topic more important than the distraction topic). But it can work if the counter blast is strong enough.
What about today? Tory MPs were indignant about Starmer’s worse-than-usual topic dodging, and there were a string of questions about this at points of order. The Tory papers (and GB News – see 12.27pm) will write this up as a Badenoch win. And people watching who had not spent the morning on Twitter might have been a bit unsure as to what Starmer was on about when he repeatedly condemned Nick Timothy.
But Labour MPs understood why the Timothy intervention was so inflammatory. The normalisation of Islamophobia in rightwing circles is one of the more egregious features of modern politics, and today Starmer spoke with more passion and authenticity than we are used to. Here is one of his answers.
double quotation mark[Badenoch’s] position is that the shadow justice secretary is defending British values when he says Muslims praying together in Trafalgar Square are not welcome.
Even Tommy Robinson, I can hardly believe I’m saying this, has said today that if the shadow justice secretary had made these hateful comments two years ago the Conservative party would have kicked him out.
Tommy Robinson isn’t some sort of moral signpost, he was pointing out how much their party has changed. They’re more inclined to his views, and he’s right about that. The fact he’s sitting on her front bench shows she’s too weak and has got absolutely no judgment.
Starmer was referring to this post by Robinson (whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) on X.
Since Morgan McSweeney left No 10, Starmer seems to have become more confident defending the multiculturalism that some Blue Labour types were more inclined to question and today it felt as he had landed a moral argument successfully. He’ll count that as win.
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Starmer defends plans to restrict access to jury trials
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Starmer says he is not abolishing jury trials. Many victims have to wait years for cases to go to trial. He says he is not prepared to do nothing about this. Under this plan, the proportion of cases that go to jury trial will just fall from 3% to 2.25%.
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UPDATE: Starmer said:
double quotation markWe’re not abolishing jury trials, and he knows that.
I have worked with with women and girls who have been victims of sexual violence and rape, who have waited a very, very long time for their cases to come to court. Many of them drop out because of the wait.
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This is about getting the balance right. We’re not abolishing jury trial. There’s about 3% of cases go to jury trial, as he very well knows, 97% don’t. After this, it’ll be 2.25%. That is the difference between the policy we’re advancing and the policy as it now is.
So it’s not abolishing jury trials. But I’m not prepared to see those who have been victims of violence against women and girls, I’m not prepared to see them repeatedly let down.
That’s what happened for 14 long years. It’s not good enough.
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