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\n\t \n\tWood is most famous from his stint on The Daily Show,<\/em> an experience he calls \u201cthe best eight years of comedy learning that you could ever receive.\u201d He left in 2023, after Comedy Central spent months waffling over who would replace outgoing host Trevor Noah, only to bring back Jon Stewart and a rotating cast of anchors. To Wood, Noah\u2019s departure and the show\u2019s recalibration aligned with his own reexamination of his goals. \u201cI knew I wanted to do something different,\u201d he explains.\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tHe\u2019s now hosting a weekly program, CNN\u2019s American take on the BBC panel show Have I Got News for You<\/em>, with Amber Ruffin and Michael Ian Black, currently in its third season. And he\u2019s written a memoir, The Man of Many<\/em> Fathers<\/em> (out Oct. 28), that\u2019s a raw examination of his relationship with his own dad \u2014 radio host and journalist Roy Wood Sr., who co-founded the National Black Network \u2014 his upbringing in the post-Civil Rights-era South, and his journey through masculinity.\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tWith a journalism degree from Florida A&M and a decade spent in radio before throwing himself into stand-up, Wood is deeply informed on the issues facing America today. Much of his career has been focused on human connection and fostering understanding with the different people he\u2019s met traveling the country, whether as a correspondent or a touring comic. That experience shows. He\u2019s a loose and easy talker who can pull a laugh out of you with little more than a widening of his eyes.\u00a0<\/p>\n \t\tEditor\u2019s picks<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n \n\tIn a time when the country feels almost irreparably broken along its partisan fissures, and political comedy has become a minefield for controversy, Wood is looking to bridge the gaps in his own way, and maybe leave behind a few lessons of his own for others to pick up. \u201cThe comedy helps me, so I do it onstage, in case it\u2019ll help somebody else,\u201d he tells me. \u201cI don\u2019t know if it will, but if it does, good.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tPolitics in America can feel pretty bleak right now. How do you even begin to make it funny?\u00a0<\/strong> \t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tErik Tanner for Rolling Stone<\/p>\n \n\tIs comedy \u2014 finding that humor \u2014 a way to process everything that\u2019s happening in this country?\u00a0<\/strong> \n\tOf course.<\/strong> \t\tRelated Content<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n \n\tI don\u2019t think any comedian sits down to write the joke that\u2019s going to heal you: \u201cI see you\u2019re in pain. Here, try this joke.\u201d We\u2019re here to provide an escape. The solutions, that\u2019s not our responsibility.<\/p>\n \n\tIn your memoir, you write about how certain men you encountered in your life helped you navigate pitfalls. I wonder if politics, and political comedy, has itself been kind of a father figure, something that helped you navigate the experiences you were living.<\/strong> \n\tSo I grew up constantly digesting the news, but my father also [was] extremely pro-Black and extremely about Black Americans getting what they deserve from this country. So the narrative that I was fed was enough for me to not necessarily seek that out, journalistically speaking. I got a degree in journalism, but because I wanted to be [ESPN anchor] Stuart Scott. I wanted to be funny, I wanted to talk about sports.\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tThen you graduate, and you\u2019re bathing in student-loan debt, and it\u2019s hard to find a good job. \u201cOh, wait, this country is set up against me. This is just like they were telling me in Florida A&M.\u201d And the material changed. I was early thirties [when I started], I\u2019m 46 now. So there was a long stretch of me just doing jokes about your roommate eating your Oreos before I got to Confederate flags, and the Kaepernick protest, and police reform, and VA hospitals not treating the troops with respect. Any topics I\u2019ve talked about in my last four specials, none of that was reached in the first 15 years.<\/p>\n \u201cBeing a road comedian gives you a different perspective on voters. You don\u2019t see a party, you just see a person.\u201d<\/p>\n \n\tYou cut your teeth on the comedy circuits of the South. How did you begin introducing that material?\u00a0<\/strong> \n\tIt definitely puts into perspective that most people in this country are voting to preserve themselves. And that\u2019s what politicians tap into. \u201cI got to find the one thing you really care about, and make you think that I care about that the same as you.\u201d That\u2019s what Trump did \u2014 Trump went out in Middle America and looked under them rocks, found a couple of votes over here, found a couple of votes over here, and here we are.<\/p>\n \n\tPeople can feel, like you said, very disconnected from things that don\u2019t impact their immediate environment. When you were growing up, media was much more local. The arbiters of news were very connected to the people around them in a community.<\/strong> \n\tHow has your experience meeting people and building connections with audiences around the country been affected by that transformation?\u00a0<\/strong> \n\tThe difference between then and now, and this is coming from me also working 10 years in radio, is that everything is cookie-cutter. I think it\u2019s 80 percent of radio stations are owned by five companies, or something. All of these radio stations don\u2019t hire local DJs anymore. They got one person that lives in St. Louis that\u2019s voice tracking to nine different markets. So how can the radio be the voice of the community and give the community access to uplift one another? Then you put the rise of social media on top of that. Now, the truth is only what you choose to believe. The truth becomes what makes you feel good, not what actually is. So most things, locally, are missed because of the monopolization of media.\u00a0<\/p>\n \t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tErik Tanner for Rolling Stone<\/p>\n \n\tYou\u2019ve talked a bit about the reasons you left The Daily Show.<\/em> Did you feel you had outgrown it?\u00a0<\/strong> \n\tPerfect example, a while back there was a viral moment on TikTok with a bunch of Black people from Scotland, and Black America was all shocked that there were people who looked like us, but sound Scottish. I happened to be in Scotland at the time, and I went out and interviewed Black people who were born in Scotland. That was a very fun, self-produced field piece. And if I were to take that same construct and put that within The Daily Show<\/em> or maybe even within CNN, it\u2019s going to take two weeks. So being able to just follow my impulse and go do something on 48 hours\u2019 notice and have it back out on the internet within 36 hours, that was exciting. That\u2019s the shit I want to keep doing more of.<\/p>\n \n\tIt sounds like you\u2019re returning to the roots of the person you described in your memoir, the person that first entered comedy.<\/strong> \n\tAt The Daily Show<\/em>, one of the main things I learned is that there\u2019s always a third side or another angle to the issue that\u2019s not being considered. I\u2019m grateful that my first comedy special didn\u2019t come out until I started working there. I think also, watching Trevor Noah and how he did interviews with adversarial guests, you seek to understand, don\u2019t necessarily seek to be right. Sometimes you can talk people into not agreeing with themselves if you\u2019ve got enough time to take a long enough walk.\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tPeople talk about Saturday Night Live<\/em> and what a comedy college that is. I put The Daily Show<\/em> in that same realm.\u2026 I learned a lot about why people think the way they think politically. And it really confirmed a lot of what I thought from being on the road. I could go into a red state and know that if I\u2019m going to do the joke about police reform, I can\u2019t lead off with it. But if I do the joke about college football and then the joke about police reform, then you\u2019re with me. And so The Daily Show<\/em> was \u201cHow do I gain that type of trust in under 30 seconds with a man on the street?\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n \u201cMy mother picked cotton, got fire-hosed. How do you explain to that woman, \u2018Yeah, I\u2019m going to tell jokes and get on BET.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n \n\tDo you feel like CNN and Have I Got News for You<\/em> are striking the balance you were looking for?<\/strong> \n\tWe have blue and red guests on, sitting elected officials. And we get to dabble in what\u2019s happening, why it\u2019s happening, and then try to have a breather on the back side.\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tDid you see a second Trump term?\u00a0<\/strong> \n\tI think that there is a patent disregard for Middle America voters, and their opinions and thoughts aren\u2019t held with the same degree of importance or priority. I don\u2019t think you were ever going to beat Trump by telling Trump supporters, \u201cJust look at the guy.\u201d And that\u2019s the playbook that a lot of liberals ran. And I\u2019m not just talking about liberal politicians, I\u2019m talking about liberals as a group, where they just go, \u201cThat guy is ridiculous, how could you vote for that guy?\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tLogic isn\u2019t necessarily going to be the weapon, it might need to be love. And then from that, you hope that they find some logic. But just yelling and berating people, done that for eight years.\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tHas it surprised you to see media and entertainment companies cave to the Trump administration?<\/strong> \n\tThe White House Correspondents\u2019 Dinner this past year, for the first time in several years, was not hosted by a comedian.<\/strong> \n\tI would love to hear what it was like when you hosted in 2023, because to me, the White House Correspondents\u2019 Dinner is often just self-congratulatory pageantry.<\/strong> \n\tReally?\u00a0<\/strong> \n\tYeah. About being old.<\/strong> \t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tErik Tanner for Rolling Stone<\/p>\n \n\tYour book is a love letter to your son about how you became the person you are, the fathers who shaped you. I\u2019m curious how fatherhood is changing your work.\u00a0<\/strong> \n\tSon gets born: \u201cYo, we got to figure out what\u2019s going on with these Confederate flags and this discrimination, and we have got to get to the bottom of Black-history museums being under attack.\u201d This idea of \u201cWhat world am I leaving for him? And what did I do to try and change it?\u201d That became a bigger thing.\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tThe other thing is that I started wanting to be home more, so the way I toured had to change. The thing you deal with when you travel for a living is the balance of providing versus being present. And you don\u2019t know whether or not you did too much of one or the other, and you won\u2019t know for another 10, 15 years. My son\u2019s liable to come in the house in 10 years and cuss me out and say, \u201cYou was never around.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tSo even now when I\u2019m out of town, we FaceTime, we talk, we engage. I show him what\u2019s going on at the gig and the venue. Or if it\u2019s a new city he doesn\u2019t know anything about, I\u2019ll go out on a walk and explore the city, which forces me to essentially be a local reporter. So then when I get onstage locally, I\u2019m tuned the hell in to what\u2019s going on in this market. So in a lot of ways it\u2019s made me a better performer.\u00a0<\/p>\n \n\tYou tagged along with your own dad for many of his work outings.<\/strong> \n\tThis book is about fathers and manhood, but I want to touch on your mother, who seems to me like your true spiritual core.\u00a0<\/strong> \n\tThis is a resilient, hardworking woman who never stopped showing me that she appreciated and loved me. And I\u2019ve spent the rest of my life trying to reciprocate that feeling to her. And that\u2019s our dynamic. My mother\u2019s my best fan, my biggest supporter, even when she didn\u2019t understand why I wanted to do the things I wanted to do. She found out I was sleeping in the Greyhound bus stations to do gigs, and she put a down payment on a car. She hated that I did comedy, but you also don\u2019t want your son sleeping at a bus station. I used to joke onstage \u2014 I said I could start porn tomorrow and my mom would ask me what type of lube do I use on set.<\/p>\n \u201cI\u2019ve done nobody wrong in this industry. Ain\u2019t never lied to nobody, never stole a joke. I\u2019ve tried to be a good person.\u201d<\/p>\n \n\tYou describe the first fight you can remember having with her, and realizing that even if she didn\u2019t give you the response you wanted, you had a voice and she was listening. How do you deliver that same message to your son?<\/strong> \n\tThat\u2019s hard to do.\u00a0<\/strong> \n\tI have not made a single mistake.<\/strong> \n\tThat must be incredibly hard to do, when your 19-year-old is telling you, \u201cThis is how it\u2019s going to be.\u201d It speaks a lot to who your mother is that she realized, \u201cOK. This is it for him.\u201d<\/strong> \n\tMy mom was the child of sharecroppers in Mississippi. My mother picked cotton, marched for everything. How do you explain to that woman who\u2019s fought and gotten beaten and fire-hosed, \u201cYeah, I don\u2019t know about this education shit. I\u2019m going to tell these jokes and get on BET.\u201d<\/p>\n \t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tErik Tanner for Rolling Stone<\/p>\n \n\tYou\u2019d never get away with it.<\/strong> \n\tYou\u2019re at the age and status now where I\u2019m sure people come to you for advice. If someone else were to write this book and there was a chapter about the time they met Roy Wood Jr., what would you like that chapter to say about you?<\/strong> \n\tI\u2019ve done nobody wrong in this industry. There\u2019s ex-girlfriends where I could\u2019ve been a better boyfriend. Absolutely. But in this shit, ain\u2019t never lied to nobody. I never stole a joke. I never underpaid anybody. I try to overpay. I try to hire folks that deserve an opportunity. I\u2019ve tried to always contribute positively. And when I\u2019m dead and gone, any comedian that says otherwise is a fucking liar. Especially the one that tried to fuck my girl back in \u201908.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" R oy Wood Jr. has performed on virtually every kind of stage American comedy has to offer, from small, cutthroat clubs in the Deep South to sold-out theaters and televised specials that reach millions. 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\n\t\t<\/span>oy Wood Jr. has performed on virtually every kind of stage American comedy has to offer, from small, cutthroat clubs in the Deep South to sold-out theaters and televised specials that reach millions. At 46, he knows exactly who he is and what he wants to say, and he wants to make sure no one interferes with his freedom to say it. When he arrives to the Manhattan loft where we\u2019re taping our interview, clad in jeans and a light-gray T-shirt and jacket (\u201cI\u2019m matching the rug, that wasn\u2019t on purpose\u201d), Wood asks if anyone on his team gave me any \u201cno-fly zones\u201d in terms of topics. \u201cIt hasn\u2019t been a problem the past couple of years, but old agents and shit would come behind my back and go, \u2018Don\u2019t ask him about that,\u2019\u201d he says. I reassure him they didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n\n
I think you make it truthful first, and from there, funny will follow. There are a lot of things happening right now that you can\u2019t necessarily go, \u201cWell, what\u2019s the funny part of all the deportations?\u201d But if you go, \u201cWhat\u2019s the funny part about the policies, or the hypocrisy of it, or National Guard troops sleeping in public because you sent them there without hotel accommodations,\u201d you can find moments of truth in the midst of all of this calamity. And through that, you\u2019re able to find the humor.<\/p>\n
For me, comedy is a way to process everything. But as a Black American in this country, I don\u2019t necessarily feel any new weight, if that makes sense.<\/p>\n
There\u2019s always weight. There\u2019s always some injustice. There\u2019s always somebody dead that shouldn\u2019t have died. I\u2019ve been doing comedy for 27, 28 years now. So there isn\u2019t some sort of \u201cOh, what? They\u2019re doing what now? Well, let me really dial in and really make it funny.\u201d I don\u2019t think any comedian that attacks issues in this world is doing anything different than they were 10 or 15 years ago. John Oliver or Jon Stewart or Bill Maher \u2014 take your pick \u2014 they\u2019re doing what they\u2019ve always done, but it feels different, affects you differently. Water tastes different when you\u2019re thirsty.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n\n
My dad was a radio news journalist, and he covered every global conflict you can name from the 1950s up until the L.A. riots. I grew up in a house where there was a room my pops had that was just for C-Span. He recorded it all day, and then would pull quotes from the sessions to play on his news radio, commentary shows, or whatever.<\/p>\n
Late in the set, that\u2019s for sure. Performing in the South, being a road comedian, gives you a different perspective on the voters of this country. Because you don\u2019t see a Republican Party, you just see a person. And they voted Republican. There\u2019s a difference when you\u2019re viewing Republicans through graphs and pie charts and Gallup polls versus you being at a comedy club on a Thursday in a red state and telling jokes to voters who would never vote for your interests, and there being some degree of synergy and understanding.\u00a0<\/p>\n
Corporate consolidation of print media and the death of local reporters.<\/p>\n
My pops had a call-in show where he talked to people. Then he would do speaking engagements at Black churches. Then he would go and be a guest journalism professor at XYZ college for a semester. He took me to a barbershop in Birmingham every two weeks where all of the Black politicians \u2014 the movers and shakers, the city councilmen, all of that type of stuff [went]. So I started understanding how local politics work, and the importance of local reporters.<\/p>\n
I don\u2019t want to say outgrown, but I understood what the objectives and the directives of the show are, and some of the stuff that I wanted to start doing. I was feeling that, if I\u2019m here, \u201cWell, what do I want to talk about?\u201d Of course there\u2019s going to be Trump stuff, election stuff. But, man, that would\u2019ve been really fun, while we were in Atlanta, to go talk at Black colleges about whether\u00a0they\u2019re going to live or die. I knew for sure this wasn\u2019t going to be the place for that type of stuff.\u00a0<\/p>\n
What\u2019s really odd is that that Black-college story, it\u2019s exactly the type of story my dad would\u2019ve done. Now, he would\u2019ve been angry, and it would\u2019ve been no jokes. But you just start reverting into different thoughts, man.<\/p>\n
To a degree. CNN gives me a platform to present everything that happened that week, and we get to exist in the silly stuff as well. It\u2019s not just \u201cOh, the administration is going to take away Medicaid this week.\u201d It\u2019s also \u201cGuess who this person was before Botox?\u201d And we show you an un-Botoxed face of a political figure.<\/p>\n
I didn\u2019t see a second Trump term happening. And then when Kamala came in, I was like, \u201cOh, they might get it now. They might get it.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n
That was a new curveball. I don\u2019t think Daily Show<\/em> will ever bend the knee in that regard. You want to talk about a show that\u2019s going to die on its sword, it will be Jon Stewart and all of my friends at that desk.\u00a0<\/p>\n
Ooh, that shit was bland. Shout-out to all the journalists, though. I know it\u2019s to celebrate journalism.\u00a0<\/p>\n
It\u2019s the most stressed I\u2019ve been as a performer next to the Apollo Theater. Amateur Night at the Apollo, that is the peak of anxiety.<\/p>\n
I\u2019d take 1,000 Correspondents\u2019 Dinners before I \u2026 Amateur Night at the Apollo is not to be played with. With the Correspondents\u2019 Dinner, no matter what, half the room\u2019s going to love the joke. You just don\u2019t know when and you don\u2019t know [which] joke. The Apollo, there\u2019s a chance everyone will hate your guts in unison, and there\u2019s no recovery.\u00a0 But I did [the Correspondents\u2019 Dinner] under the Biden administration, so the vibes were different. It wasn\u2019t necessarily an adversarial audience, but you definitely take your shots. My first joke was a joke on Biden.<\/p>\n
Yes. To his face. I called you old and forgetful to your face. Now, granted, strategically I had to do that because no one knows who I am in that room. I\u2019m on The Daily Show<\/em> so you trust the r\u00e9sum\u00e9, but you don\u2019t really know my face. You\u2019re not completely sure who I am. So I have to punch the biggest person in the room first to get equity with everyone.<\/p>\n
I became very aware of the world. My comedy is just silly: \u201cOh, Captain America got a Black sidekick. That\u2019s crazy. He a white dude from the racist times. Ha, ha, ha.\u201d Perfectly fine joke to do on Craig Ferguson<\/em>. All right. Fine.\u00a0<\/p>\n
A lot of hanging with my dad and having a front-row seat to his stuff [was] him not wanting to babysit. My dad didn\u2019t want to pay for child care, so \u201cCome with me. I\u2019m interviewing Jesse Jackson backstage at the Democratic [Convention] 1988\u201d-type shit. I\u2019m sitting back there with a coloring book while Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson chop it up with my dad. \u201cYou remember, Roy. We were down in Selma. Remember the Selma thing when they hit us over the head? That was a good time.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n
My parents were separated until I was in the third grade, so it was just me and her. My mother, her work ethic and her grind, and her dedication to just doing the work and good things will happen to you, a million percent is me.\u00a0<\/p>\n
By giving him the same freedom \u2014 but be respectful. If you have an opinion on something, speak it. I said, \u201cYou still might not get what you want, but by all means you have an opinion. You have some degree of agency.\u201d You have to be careful about it because you also don\u2019t want to raise a kid who thinks they know everything.<\/p>\n
I knew everything up until I didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n
But I would not be extending that courtesy to my son if it wasn\u2019t extended to me by my mom. I got arrested when I was 19 for stealing credit cards, so I was suspended from school. That\u2019s when I started officially doing stand-up. It comes time to get back into school. She finds out that I\u2019m doing comedy. She\u2019s furious. Fucking furious. And so I go, \u201cHey, I understand that you\u2019re mad because you think that comedy is going to keep me from getting an education, so let\u2019s do this: I\u2019m not going to stop doing comedy, and there\u2019s nothing you can do to stop that. But how about this: If I can make good grades, will that give you some sense of peace about me doing comedy?\u201d And she said, \u201cYeah.\u201d And I go, \u201cCool. That\u2019s what I\u2019ll do, and we don\u2019t have to talk about this ever again.\u201d My first semester back, I made the dean\u2019s list. And slowly but surely the ice starts melting between us.\u00a0<\/p>\n
Yeah. And here\u2019s the irony: That college degree was the only thing that protected me when I went out into the workforce when I graduated. She was right. That college degree, when I went to go work at that radio station and they\u2019re debating on whether or not to hire you, and you got to check yes on that felony box, but I\u2019m also a stand-up comedian with a degree in broadcast\u2026 The broadcast degree has been the secret weapon in so many things, including The Daily Show<\/em>. Because those last two years of school are where you learn all of the practical applications of broadcast news. And what is the job of a Daily Show<\/em> correspondent, if not a funny person who knows journalism? So she was right with that. It came in handy.<\/p>\n
Her brain cannot compute \u2014 because there\u2019s something so linear about education. You do this and then you get the piece of paper, and you show them the piece of paper and they give you money, and then you retire in 40 years. Where comedy is, you do it, and maybe you\u2019re good, maybe you\u2019re bad. And even if you\u2019re good, maybe they still don\u2019t like you. And then you develop a cocaine habit, and maybe that\u2019s it.<\/p>\n
That I gave as much advice as I could. I came up with a lot of gatekeepers who didn\u2019t want to help. But I have tried within the profession to be a good person and to help where I can. I try to be forthright with young comedians about what they\u2019re getting into. Most leave a conversation with me horrified, but that\u2019s because I operate from fear when it comes to achieving. There\u2019s no light at the end of the tunnel, the light is the train coming around the other end.\u00a0<\/p>\n