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I<\/span>t is hard to imagine anyone less like the slovenly, has-been MI5 agent Jackson Lamb than his creator, Mick Herron. \u201cHe must come deep out of my subconscious,\u201d the 62-year-old thriller writer jokes, sipping mineral water at a rooftop bar in his home city of Oxford, a world away from London\u2019s Aldersgate where his bestselling Slough House series is set. In a \u201cblue shirt, white tee\u201d (fans will get the reference), he is softly spoken with a hint of a Geordie accent. Herron is often described as the heir to John le Carr\u00e9 and \u201cthe best spy novelist of his generation\u201d, according to the New Yorker. Unlike le Carr\u00e9, he\u2019s not, and never has been, a spy. Mysteriously, though, Wikipedia has given him \u201can entirely fictitious\u201d birthday. \u201cI got cards. I got a cake,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n For the uninitiated, the novels and award-winning TV series follow a bunch of misfit spooks exiled to Slough House from MI5 for various mishaps and misdemeanours, so far away from the shiny HQ in Regent\u2019s Park that it may as well be in Slough. The joke is that these hapless underdogs (nicknamed \u201cslow horses\u201d), under the grubby reins of Lamb, always triumph over the slicker agents and \u201cthe Dogs\u201d at the\u00a0Park.<\/p>\n \u201cIn its bare headlines, it\u2019s not that promising is it?\u201d Herron says modestly. \u201cA bunch of people who aren\u2019t very good at their jobs and don\u2019t like each other, forced to work in an office. I mean, why would you want to read it?\u201d It\u2019s great fun, for starters. In a genre dominated by sinister psychological dramas and slick spin-offs, Herron\u2019s mix of high jeopardy, low comedy and political satire might be described as a breath of fresh air, if the air in Slough House was not fetid with farts and frustration. Will Smith, co-writer of The Thick of It and Veep, was the ideal person to bring Herron\u2019s world to the screen: Lamb is MI5\u2019s Malcom Tucker, only dirtier. A cold war wreck, held together by booze, fags and loyalty to his \u201cjoes\u201d, Lamb is one of the great characters of contemporary fiction. <\/strong>Like a modern-day Falstaff or Fagin, he is now part of the public imagination, thanks to an affectionate portrayal by Gary Oldman alongside a regally icy Kristin Scott Thomas as MI5 chief Diana Taverner in the TV show.<\/p>\n This autumn, Oldman and co return with season five, based on the fifth Slough House novel, London Rules. On the back of its success, Apple TV+ will also launch an adaptation of Herron\u2019s lesser-known 2003 debut Down Cemetery Road, with Emma Thompson as Oxford private detective Zo\u00eb Boehm. And this week, the author publishes the ninth in the Slough House series, Clown Town.<\/p>\n The new novel is inspired by the true story of an IRA informant and murderer, codenamed Stakeknife, real name Freddie Scappaticci. \u201cAn appalling human being\u201d, Herron says, who was given protection by the British intelligence services in the 70s and 80s, in one of \u201cthe most morally dubious operations that the intelligence services had been involved in\u201d, as one senior civil servant told him. Perfect Herron material. Players in the Slough House novels tread the murky line between protecting the nation and the interests of GCHQ. Stakeknife died \u201cpeacefully in his bed\u201d in 2023 after Herron was well under way with Clown Town. The author didn\u2019t stick too closely to historical events. \u201cIt hampers the imagination,\u201d he says. \u201cAlso, I\u2019m quite lazy when it comes to research.\u201d<\/p>\n You don\u2019t have to know anything about politics to be a victim of political terror, to have bombs go off around you<\/p>\n Clown Town opens with a leftwing government finding its feet, a PM with a penchant for designer specs and \u201cwho happens to be a lawyer\u201d, says Herron. There might be a new broom at No\u00a010, but the dark corners of the British establishment are as grimy as ever. \u201cI\u2019m writing about how power corrupts,\u201d he says. \u201cIt\u2019s hardly an original observation, but it doesn\u2019t matter who\u2019s in power. Things are going to go wrong, either wilfully or by cock-up. I\u2019m more prone towards the cock-up view of history than I am conspiracy, but that doesn\u2019t alter the effect.\u201d<\/p>\n Herron may not have any experience of working for the intelligence service, but he has done his time in an office. \u201cIn many ways, I\u2019m writing more about office life than about spies,\u201d he says. \u201cThe intelligence service is essentially a big office. They\u2019ll have a kitchen with fridges. The same things are going to happen as in any other office. I imagine,\u201d he adds. James Bond it is not.<\/p>\n Getting Herron to admit his books have been a runaway hit is like trying to persuade Lamb to take a shower. \u201cFailure is always more interesting to me than success,\u201d he maintains. \u201cIt would be stupid to deny that I am now successful, but I was that far away from being a failure,\u201d he says, holding his thumb and forefinger together. \u201cIt could all have gone very differently. I was very lucky.\u201d<\/p>\n His is one of the great success stories of recent publishing history: an inspiration to slow horses everywhere. On his walk to the office of the legal journal where he worked as a subeditor for many years, he would pass an unhappy-looking building on Aldersgate Street. \u201cI didn\u2019t know I was going to write a book, let alone a series of books about it,\u201d he says, of what would become Slough House. \u201cI\u2019ve been \u2018living\u2019 there ever since.\u201d It is the very building on the TV show. \u201cThey went the extra mile there. They could have shown any building; they didn\u2019t.\u201d On the train back to Oxford each evening he would mull over his ideas so that by the time he got home, he knew exactly where he was going. \u201cI\u00a0had an hour of work in me,\u201d he says, which averaged 360 words a day.<\/p>\n After trying his hand at poetry and literary fiction, he turned to crime with his Zo\u00eb Boehm series. On 7 July 2005 he was waiting on the platform at Paddington when the bomb exploded at Edgware Road, one tube stop away. \u201cYou don\u2019t have to know anything about politics to be a victim of political terror, to have bombs go off around you,\u201d he says. \u201cThat made me realise I could write about events like that without necessarily understanding how they would come about.\u201d So he changed tack and started writing espionage novels.<\/p>\n <\/span>Herron with Gary Oldman on the Slow Horses set.<\/span> Photograph: Jack English\/Apple<\/p>\n Slow Horses was published in 2010. But he couldn\u2019t find a UK publisher for its sequel, Dead Lions, a couple of years later. \u201cWhat even is this?\u201d one publisher asked, unable to work out if it was a thriller or a comedy. \u201cThe books didn\u2019t sell at first,\u201d Herron says mildly now. \u201cIt didn\u2019t surprise me. I wasn\u2019t wailing and gnashing my teeth or anything. I was just getting on with my life.\u201d<\/p>\n An editor at John Murray happened to pick up Slow Horses at Liverpool Street station and decided to back it. The first two novels were republished in 2015. The following year, Herron took a four-month sabbatical to try writing fiction full time. By 11am of the first morning he knew he could do it and on his return to the office he handed in his notice.<\/p>\n But it was in 2016 that things really took off. \u201cIt was Brexit,\u201d the author says definitively. \u201cThe country\u2019s misfortune was my good luck.\u201d His post-referendum novel London Rules was published in 2018. Suddenly, his populist floppy-haired, bicycle-riding MP, Peter Judd, seemed all too familiar. The echoes between PJ\u00a0and BJ were impossible to ignore. Herron was at Balliol College, Oxford at the same time as Boris Johnson, not part of the Bullingdon set. \u201cPJ was just my sort of rightwing bogeyman figure,\u201d he says now. \u201cPublic-school educated, a sense of entitlement, self-obsession, complete disregard for ethics or morality or integrity.\u201d He looks over the rooftops and their old college. \u201cI mean, Boris Johnson fits that,\u201d he says. \u201cBut so do many other politicians.\u201d<\/p>\n Just as le Carr\u00e9\u2019s novels resonated with the disillusionment and failure of the 70s, Herron captured the anger and frustration felt by many across the country. By the time the TV series launched in 2022, he was in full control of his material. \u201cI\u2019m more popular now, but I don\u2019t feel that I\u2019ve disconnected from the characters because of that,\u201d he says. \u201cWhen I sit down to write, I still feel like exactly the same person I\u2019ve always been.\u201d<\/p>\n Growing up in Newcastle upon Tyne, the fourth child in a Catholic family of six, Herron describes his childhood as a happy one. His father was an optician, his mother a nursery school teacher who taught him to read before he started school. He read obsessively, preferring a fictional world to reality. \u201cThere was nothing wrong with the real world,\u201d he says, \u201cbut I\u2019d certainly rather have read a story than been at school.\u201d<\/p>\n <\/span>The cast of Slow Horses. <\/span> Photograph: Jack English\/PR<\/p>\n In 1979 he sat down with his parents to watch the TV serialisation of le Carr\u00e9\u2019s Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. He was hooked. The next day he borrowed a copy from his local library. He watched the BBC\u2019s 1982 adaptation of Smiley\u2019s People on a tiny portable black-and-white TV in a student house in Oxford. It is almost too neat a twist that Oldman played Smiley in the 2011 film.<\/p>\n \u201cHe was exactly the right novelist to be writing his books at that time,\u201d Herron says of le Carr\u00e9. \u201cHe saw the Berlin Wall going up. That was a gift to all of us. Brexit doesn\u2019t compare,\u201d he says, brushing off any parallels with his own historical moment.<\/p>\n skip past newsletter promotion<\/p>\n Sign up to Inside Saturday<\/span><\/p>\n The only way to get a look behind the scenes of the Saturday magazine. Sign up to get the inside story from our top writers as well as all the must-read articles and columns, delivered to your inbox every weekend.<\/p>\n Privacy Notice: <\/strong>Newsletters may contain information about charities, online ads, and content funded by outside parties. If you do not have an account, we will create a guest account for you on theguardian.com to send you this newsletter. You can complete full registration at any time. For more information about how we use your data see our Privacy Policy. We use Google reCaptcha to protect our website and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.<\/span><\/p>\n after newsletter promotion<\/p>\n Le Carr\u00e9\u2019s fingerprints are all over Slough House: the bookish ex-MI5 top brass David Cartwright is surely a homage to David Cornwell (le Carr\u00e9\u2019s real name). Rereading Smiley\u2019s People, Herron was delighted to spot a foul-mouthed taxi driver called J Lamb, lurking in his subconscious all those years.<\/p>\n Lamb was born, Herron says, out of \u201can unfiltered love of language\u201d. He is the only character into whose mind the author doesn\u2019t venture. To know if he means the outrageous things he says would be to \u201crender the character useless\u201d, Herron says. \u201cEither he\u2019s an absolutely despicable human being or he\u2019s just pretending.\u201d Some readers assumed he was a mouthpiece for Herron\u2019s own views and sent him vile letters in support. Jumping between the different characters\u2019 perspectives \u2013 Lamb\u2019s faithful secretary Catherine Standish and tech geek Roddy Ho are his favourites \u2013 makes the reader work harder and is against all the rules of creative writing, the author points out. \u201cAnd I love doing things that are against the rules.\u201d<\/p>\n One of which is killing off your core characters, even one of the good guys such as Min Harper. He wants the reader to have a sense that \u201cnobody\u2019s safe\u201d. But it isn\u2019t just for shocks. \u201cIt was about grief,\u201d he says. His father died a few years before he started writing the series, but the decision was mainly a literary one. \u201cI thought: I\u2019ve got these people now. If I kill one of them, how are the others going to feel?\u201d<\/p>\n I like writing genre stuff. I like the structure, and knowing a book will have an actual ending, rather than just stop<\/p>\n During lockdown Herron moved in with his partner Jo Howard (a publishing headhunter) and now writes in his old flat. His commute is a 10-minute walk and he aims for between 500 and 600 words a day. Like Zadie Smith and Jonathan Franzen, he doesn\u2019t have a smartphone and there\u2019s no wifi. \u201cWe hang out and fax each other,\u201d he shoots back. More unusually, he reads throughout the day. \u201cI can go straight from the laptop to the sofa,\u201d he says. \u201cI\u2019m a reader before I\u2019m a writer. Reading words keeps my brain alert.\u201d<\/p>\n He doesn\u2019t have to worry about money like he used to, and he gets to meet other writers, \u201cwhich is great fun\u201d. But for the most part, he leads a quiet life with Howard and their two cats (if he were<\/em> a spy the cats would be his soft spots). Howard is his first reader, but he never discusses a book until it\u2019s finished. She is a keen walker, and can tell when he hits a tricky point in a novel by his pace. \u201cI\u2019m a plodder,\u201d he says of his\u00a0writing.<\/p>\n At the moment he is working on a non-Slow Horses novel. \u201cIt\u2019s about spies,\u201d he reveals, helpfully. \u201cI like writing genre stuff,\u201d he says. \u201cI like having that structure. I like knowing that a book is going to have an actual ending rather than just stop.\u201d<\/p>\n He was surprised to discover how much he enjoyed being part of the writers\u2019 room for the TV series. \u201c<\/strong>I never felt particularly collaborative even when I was in an office.\u201d He will miss showrunner Smith, who recently announced that season five would be his last.<\/p>\n Herron even had a couple of cameo appearances. You would be forgiven for not spotting him and Howard in the first episode, coming out of Lamb\u2019s favourite Chinese restaurant. In season four, they are leaving a hotel. He got to hail a taxi, he says, repeating the action now. They each had their own trailers. Could he ever have imagined such a scenario? \u201cThere was never a moment in my previous life where I thought this was possible,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n Seasons five and six are in the can (the latter based on two novels, Joe Country and Slough House). Filming of season seven, adapting Bad Actors, is due to begin this month, which leaves only Clown Town to be adapted. Does he have an endgame in sight?<\/p>\n \u201cThere\u2019s an awareness that there should be an endgame.\u201d But there\u2019s no danger he\u2019s putting his horses out to grass for a while yet. He was tempted to blow up Slough House at the end of the first novel, to close with Lamb and Standish, the only survivors, running away on a ferry. \u201cThat didn\u2019t happen,\u201d he deadpans. \u201cIt would have been a good ending, actually. But my life would be very different.\u201d<\/p>\n Clown Town is published by Baskerville on Thursday. To support the Guardian, order your copy at guardianbookshop.com. Delivery charges may apply. Slow Horses season five is on Apple TV+ from 24 September. On 23 September, Mick Herron will join Richard Osman on stage at a special Guardian Live event to discuss their latest novels with Alex Clark. 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